When drifting goes bad

[Buddha_Kip]

Don't know where these pictures came from originally. Got them from a friend last night.

http://members.cox.net/bnzsport/flip.jpg


and after shots:

http://members.cox.net/bnzsport/after1.jpg
http://members.cox.net/bnzsport/after2.jpg
http://members.cox.net/bnzsport/after3.jpg
http://members.cox.net/bnzsport/after4.jpg
http://members.cox.net/bnzsport/after5.jpg

[C280 JR]

pfffffff.

and i taught M3s were stable and could handle:D

Elvir

[kameraguy]

Not to say I like seeing accidents, but those pictures are incredible....talk about being lucky! Well, at least for the photographer's perspective.

Damn, that's no joke! Poor guy. :(

[Vodka G]

guess u though WRONG HAHAHAHAHAHA

and the airbag didn't come out hee hee

(i know i am just playin it usually doesn't when is a roll over)

[genome408]

i wonder if insurance even covers an accident that occured while you while road racing? poor kid.

[JoshKeaton]

Nope, insurance is completely void on the track.

[timc]

The thing that i notice is how poorly the passenger compartment held up... You wouldn't see that in a MB

Great shots though

[kameraguy]

I dunno....looks like a severe roll-over (and over and over...). I think a lot of cars would be pretty jacked too, even a MB.

[yal]

Originally posted by timc
The thing that i notice is how poorly the passenger compartment held up... You wouldn't see that in a MB


Dood the car left the ground and landed on its roof, considering that I think it held up pretty well.

The best shot is the guy crying next to the wreck:eek: That would be me too:(

Did anybody ever see the clip of the SL that flipped over on the Autobahn and slid for like 1/4 mile on its roof.:eek:

[rana]

damn.....poor guy....i feel for him.....

but this goes to show that all the drifting action you see might look cool, but his hella dangerous....

[mrjones]

:eek: It's amazing how fast this stuff circles the globe.

Just as with other pics, I saw these this morning on a local forum... pity about the beautiful car. :(

[Henry47]

a nice coat of zaino will fix that right up

[Brabus]

Originally posted by C280 JR
pfffffff.

and i taught M3s were stable and could handle:D

Elvir

Not when you hit dirt... any car slides out in dirt...

[Hank]

Lucky he had a helmet. Lucky guy.

[redline]

crazy!

[Ozzie Bob]

Originally posted by yal
Did anybody ever see the clip of the SL that flipped over on the Autobahn and slid for like 1/4 mile on its roof.:eek: Is that the one were when the car finally stops, the dude gets out, brushes himself off then walks away :confused: I've seen that one! :)

[MidniteBluBenz]

Originally posted by C280 JR
pfffffff.

and i taught M3s were stable and could handle:D

Elvir

They are and they can, but they can't defy the laws of physics.

[scottschoe]

the m3 is one of the best handling cars ever built (imo).....if this guy had car X instead of an e36, he probably would have crashed much earlier

[Rocky]

Originally posted by yal
Did anybody ever see the clip of the SL that flipped over on the Autobahn and slid for like 1/4 mile on its roof.:eek:

I saw it....and he walked away fromt he wreck after it stopped.

[BadBenz94]

I know one of the guys in one of the pics, he club races mustangs and is part of the SCCA, hes from my area (Kankakee) and I will ask him who the owner is.

[2phast]

What your looking at happens almost everytime there is a lapping day/drivers school. It actually is pretty rare that I go to the track and DON'T see something like this, although roll overs are not as common.

The problem really resides with the driver, left alone and unsupervised on the track, they start to feel invinsible and start driving faster and faster (10/10ths) and then something like this happens, they drive past the tires ability to grip or they carry too much speed into a turn or just brake too late into a turn.

As for insurance, yes for the most part the insurance companies won't cover something like this, but it has been taken to court and as long as the event is listed as a "drivers education" or "drivers school" type of event, you can usually win. Sometimes it can take quite a while though. Also, other times, the insurance just pays (WTF?) I have seen this happen many times, even when the owner says he was at the track "racing" although I suspect this will probably come to an abrupt stop once it happens to the insurance company a couple of times. Some people have even had their cars towed to another location (along with the debris from the wreck) then called another tow truck and had their car towed either home or to the body shop, then claimed they were run off the road by a drunk or some other stupid story. Suprising as it sounds, it actually works.

Remember....on the track you are not a God and your not Mario A. either, enjoy yourself, its not about who or how many cars you pass, its about going home safe.

Oh, I am a driving instructor BTW

[yal]

Originally posted by Ozzie Bob
Is that the one were when the car finally stops, the dude gets out, brushes himself off then walks away :confused: I've seen that one! :)
Originally posted by Rocky
I saw it....and he walked away fromt he wreck after it stopped.

:werd::werd:Thats the one! The cars crash performance was very impressive. He sat down on the ground afterwards just like this guy did. It was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw these pictures. German rollover standards are pretty high compared to us.


Good advice 2Phast. The whole michael shumacher syndrome really affects their better judgment. :rolleyes:

[Rocky]

I remember the first time at shannonville race track, some idiot rents a ford probe and rolled the thing with 2 other people inside.

idiots.

[yvrbenz]

I saw the clip of the SL flipping. It was caught by a traffic camera and was at night. amazing that the A-pillar held up. tells you something about how the cars were engineered.

2phast is right. very easy to get carried away.

Saw a Swift GT roll over during an autocross at Boundary Bay airport. in this case, it was on tarmac and wasn't driver error as the front suspension on the outside corner broke just as he was apexing. car cartwheeled 2-1/2 times.

[MTI]

Nice lens work, that motor drive on the camera was working just right!

As for insurance . . . READ YOUR POLICY!

Insurance coverage varies widely from state to state and compay to company. Check the section titled Exclusions and if the policy excludes losses in competitive or timed events, you might be covered in a "driving school" situation. If the policy excludes all losses on a track or closed circuit, then you're not covered.

If in doubt, check with agent or the carrier's rep and by all means, get their answer in writing.

[C280Sportster]

Originally posted by Henry47
a nice coat of zaino will fix that right up


"Dude, my dad's got this wicked set of tools at home, I can fix it"

-"You can't fix this car Spicoly"

"Dude, I can fix it"



Something like that.

[2phast]

MTI: A competitive or timed event is not the same as a lapping day/drivers instruction school, totally different and that is the fine line that the insurance company will try and prove, should it come down to court. I have been involved with several court cases (both being a event sponsor and instructor) if the event sponsor ever says RACE, anywhere in their advertisements, then its over, case closed...Insurance company will win. If not, they have to prove that it was indeed a race, either against others or the clock (read autocross here, thats a whole different ball game) but if its a SCHOOL with instructors that are teaching you proper vehicle driving technics in a controlled envrionment, then the Insurance company will most likely loose.

I have been with arogant students (in their car as a instructor) and seen what they do once on the track, their bad attitude and God syndrome gets them nothing but a damaged vehicle (or booted from the event or banned altogether). These are the people who get into accidents. The students who actually listen to their instructors and learn, turn out to be excellent track drivers.

Sometimes its not the students fault, clubs are always short on qualified instructors and allot of times they allow non-qualified students on the track by themselves. Other times, these students are new to a specific club event and just plain lie about the past driving experience, I have seen this waaaay too many times. Clubs are now starting to pair up instructors with all new students (or club members) the purpose being to confirm that this student has the experience that he/she claim they do, once verified, they are moved up into the correct run group and are left to drive on their own.

There really is no reason to be afraid of taking your car to a lapping/school day, its incredibly fun and the amount of knowledge you can gain from an experience driver is incredible.

[MTI]

Rik, not to beat a "dead M3" so to speak, but being in the legal/insurance biz, I'll have to stand by my recomendations about owners reading their policies (man, that would be a first) and checking with their carriers before heading off to the track for driving school. There are just too many variations in the policies, even under the insurance industry and ISO standards. As I said, if the exclusions section limits liability and/or collision coverage for racing, there may be, not guaranteed, coverage for driving schools.

In California, some carriers have made the following revisions to their policies

Racing Exclusion
Language was added or amended in the policy to exclude coverage for racing or speed contests. Coverage is excluded for:
bodily injury or property damage arising out of the participation in any prearranged, organized, or spontaneous:
a) racing contest;
B) speed contest; or
c) use of an auto at a track or course designed or used for racing or high performance driving, or in practice or preparation for any contest or use of this type.

You can see that subsection c) would kill any coverage if the driving school was at a racetrack.

[Shude]

the e36 clearly sucks for rigidity compared to the w202!

My w202 left the road at about 40mph, spun in the air, landed square over my head on it's roof, rolled completely over and settled back onto it's wheels. I got out and walked away unharmed! All the doors and the hood/trunklid opened and closed perfectly (required a little force on the driver's side due to the impacted metal of the panel, the shell was still intact!). The car was sadly totalled.

Full set of pics here:

http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?...=&threadid=1280 (http://mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1280)

http://www.shudehill.demon.co.uk/crash/crash01.jpg

http://www.shudehill.demon.co.uk/crash/crash02.jpg

http://www.shudehill.demon.co.uk/crash/crash04.jpg

[2phast]

MTI: I have seen those types of clauses challenged in court and they don't hold water, sorry but its a fact. Saying that just driving your car on a "course used for racing" does not hold up in a court of law, it could be argued that the driver was going only 5 miles an hour and ran into a barrier, does that constitute racing? Well according to the drivers policy, the carrier would not have to cover him. Just think about that, any knowledgable attorney would walk all over the insurance carriers case with that one.

Section C of that clause is also poorly written, it would be easy to challenge that, I read it different than you, I read that "an auto used on a course or track designed for use in racing or high performance driving in preperation for a contest" Read it closer, it does not specifically say "an auto used on a course or track designed for use in racing or high performance driving in perperation for a contest or drivers education event" My 2nd clause would completely rule out use of the auto for any drivers education event.

The issue with clause C is that whoever wrote it is trying to establish what course or track is by providing a defination in the same sentenace. The key in clause C is "preperation for a contest" loosely worded but can cover, autocross, drag racing or road racing. A drivers education event is not a "contest" a contest needs to have a winner, prize or a set time to beat (timed event like autocross).

Allot of this comes from first hand knowledge from actually being a participant in just these type of court cases.

Like I mentioned in the thread on 190rev, I stopped racing my Corvette because of the possibility of being denied coverage not becuase I am worried about wrecking my car, I am worried that someone else will do it for me or that I may experience a equipment failure (a blow out at 160 mph is pretty scary), for 45k, policy or not, you know the carrier is going to refuse payment and I would end up in court. 2+ years is waaay to long to wait to collect money.

I agree that everyone considering taking their car on the track should weigh the pros/cons of doing so and carefully read their insurance contract. Better safe then sorry.

[kostonmenikmati]

Originally posted by yal

Did anybody ever see the clip of the SL that flipped over on the Autobahn and slid for like 1/4 mile on its roof.:eek:

where can i see this? thx

[yal]

Originally posted by kostonmenikmati
where can i see this? thx

I have no idea. It was on one of those reality cop chase tv series. I think this one was called "The World's worst drivers".

[MB300E87]

it'll buff out.

[Under Pressure]

Hahaha, look at the fat little baby cry in the final photo of the flip sequence. Its kinda funny, in a sick way, since no one got hurt. Yea I know, flame me.

Anyway, I was at the local dealer when I saw a beautiful S Class, totalled. The front end was completely torn off. Some worker saw me staring at the wreck and came over to talk. He pointed out how the cabin area was left virtually untouched. He even showed me the gaps between the doors and the body, it looked like nothing was pushed back. Amazing! The guy had AMG wheels and the front ones were also bent and torn to pieces in the wreck. He must have been flying.

[Arju]

Shude.. your car is still in pretty good shape. Even after a flip the roofline is still intact :eek:

I want to see this SL video..