What would you want AMG to use?

[Humpty06]

What would you have AMG tune their engines with?? Why?

[genome408]

from what i recall, i thought kompressors are being dropped for b igger v8 and 12's with the made to order v12 turbo as an option. is this right?

i personally like bigger engines (n/a).......simply this..... less mechanical parts to break down on you.

[kameraguy]

I miss the old AMG. I vote NA engines. Not that there is anything wrong with supercharging and turbocharging.....I just hate to see this as a new trend....and become their default method. Dropping in a supercharger with less engine development seems like an easier route compared to really developing more power with all motor. And as they say, more pain, more gain...well, you guys know what i mean.

Is NA engine development becoming a lost art?

[Brabus]

I also like the N/A engines.... I'd take a big V8 over a blown V6 anyday!

[pokerface]

not necessarily big V8s..

I mean, I'm sure a tuned 6 cylinder should be pretty healthy (ie., C36 with modern technology)

[AMGDood]

n/a v8's and v12's sound good but they dont have the same ease of tuning as a supercharged or turbo'd engine. With just an chip or pulley you can get a significant increase in horsepower.

[Renn 208]

I'd say all! The more they know...the further they can take the whole line.

Although, if it were up to me, I'd thow more R&D into N/A stuff...as F/I seems to have taken the front two seats for the moment.

Also, while not likely from a marketing standpoint, I'd get rid of the notion that they save the most "tuned" engines for the big cars. There's so much untapped potential in their more compact lines.

We need a bi-turbo C class. If Audi can have success with the concept, why not MB? Seems to me that MB's turbo engines have a pretty unique capacity for solid torque...why not bring that down the line?

Also, I'd bring back the sports car program. With the consolidation of rules...it'd be so easy to have a LeMans/ALMS team.

As for F1....I'd tell them to give Kimi Carte Blance and get the guy a bullet proof car.

....If I were an MB EVP for a day (sigh)

[~SCARFACE~]

bi-turbo with small engine would be nice...
small engine may be good for handling
less weight = better handling

[Buddha_Kip]

supercharger......instant power always on tap...don't have to wait for pressure to build like in turbos. supercharger slapped onto V8 or V12 would be even nicer. Supercharger and turbo charger like on that Arab rally driver's C32 would be even nicer

[J Irwan]

All motor.. baby...


Thats why I still more respect to BMW.. (engine wise, design wise thank to Chris Bangle they look like......... you know..what I mean)....


BMW has amazing engine, I think AMG should compete in NA instead of easy route of Force Induction ...anybody can do force induction....

BMW M3 E46 3.2 NA producing 343hp (euro spec)/269 lb-ft

MB C32 AMG 3.2 Supercharged 349hp/330lb-ft

Off course it would be nice to put a blower on your car..
but in this battle BMW is better especially at combining their power band and the transmission ratio....

When creating performance car, it not all about how much power the engine can produce, but also how much (how efficient) that power can be transfer to the asphalt.... ;)


It is easier just to put blower on a car to make it fast rather than N/A tuning..

Granted force induction is more flexible in term of further tuning for more power gain
anyway..... just my $0.02


Just FYI E46 M3 with a supercharger pulling 430 Rearwheel hp and all of this come from 3.2 I-6 engine.. VERY IMPRESSIVE I must say...



Regardz,

J Irwan

[MB300E87]

turbos... i dunno.. i can't imagine watching an MB drive by and hearing the high pitched scream of a turbo. i can imagine a whining kompressor though.

big N/A motors would be nice but i think the kompressors make certain performance numbers possible in a reasonably sized engine. its a good compromise to me.

[Brabus]

Originally posted by MB300E87
turbos... i dunno.. i can't imagine watching an MB drive by and hearing the high pitched scream of a turbo. i can imagine a whining kompressor though.

big N/A motors would be nice but i think the kompressors make certain performance numbers possible in a reasonably sized engine. its a good compromise to me.

I drive a Turbo :)

[kameraguy]

Originally posted by J Irwan
All motor.. baby...


Thats why I still more respect to BMW.. (engine wise, design wise thank to Chris Bangle they look like......... you know..what I mean)....


BMW has amazing engine, I think AMG should compete in NA instead of easy route of Force Induction ...anybody can do force induction....

BMW M3 E46 3.2 NA producing 343hp (euro spec)/269 lb-ft

MB C32 AMG 3.2 Supercharged 349hp/330lb-ft

Off course it would be nice to put a blower on your car..
but in this battle BMW is better especially at combining their power band and the transmission ratio....

When creating performance car, it not all about how much power the engine can produce, but also how much (how efficient) that power can be transfer to the asphalt.... ;)


It is easier just to put blower on a car to make it fast rather than N/A tuning..

Granted force induction is more flexible in term of further tuning for more power gain
anyway..... just my $0.02


Just FYI E46 with a supercharger pulling 430 Rearwheel hp and all of this come from 3.2 I-6 engine.. VERY IMPRESSIVE I must say...



Regardz,

J Irwan

:werd: I feel 100% same way J.

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by MB300E87
turbos... i dunno.. i can't imagine watching an MB drive by and hearing the high pitched scream of a turbo. i can imagine a whining kompressor though.



This is only mildly related...but have you ever heard a Maybach drive by? Nope? Well neither have I...those things sound like they're running on mag-lev. Crazy stuff.

[C280 JR]

i say kompressors, cause they already know and have experimented with them...every time they try something new, they refuse to do a recal, and people end up paying huge money

Elvir

[sorbo]

that is hard to answer, it depends on the car. but i would like more tuned V8 and 12's in the 100,000+ $ cars that are flooding MB, and for the rest more highly tuned V8 and 6's with superchargers and or turbos would be alright.

But what troubles me the most is that Mercedes N/A engines are falling behind the northern Italian motors and some other companies. The lack of sport in MB is a problem for the non AMG's. but the most important thing is that MB starts to gain more power because that rest of the market is getting hp crazy. look at nissan/infinity i know power is their selling point but damn they are gettinig good #'s for low $.

[Under Pressure]

Bi-turbo's, simply so there is no parasitic hp loss with the belts via kompressors. As far as NA, technology and advancements can only go so far before you need forced induction. Granted I don't think AMG has reached the limits of NA's, to much more R&D for a truely powerful, high-tech NA will lead to high costs. Better just used forced induction, there is nothing wrong with it. Its there all the time, so its real hp (unlike N2O). So its not like its cheating.

[CKlasse]

A Bi-Turbo V8 Diesel would real nice! :)

[Golden1245]

Don't N/A bmw M's have approx. the same hp as super/turbocharged AMG's?

[krk230]

Originally posted by Golden1245@May 30 2005, 09:24 PM
Don't N/A bmw M's have approx. the same hp as super/turbocharged AMG's?
i think so...but i dont think they produce the same amount of torque as MBs...

[AMGLust]

Big V8's and V12 AMG's and leave the forced induction for the underpowered chassis classes the inline fours the V6's etc.. Traditional I believe.

[Golden1245]

^ I absolutely, consummately, thoroughly, unconditionaly, unmitigatedly, wholeheartedly, whole hog utterly agree with that. :)