Lancer Evolution

[xyz]

I just test drove a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. What an eye-opener! I used to think BMW M or
AMG.
The Evo VIII steering is go-kart quick; the
handling is tight; the car is quick, powerful, fast.
If you want luxury, prestige, go with MB.
But if want excitement, fun-to-drive, exhilaration, try the Evo.
The price? $30K.
Test drive one and tell me what you think.

[pokerface]

Originally posted by xyz
I just test drove a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. What an eye-opener! I used to think BMW M or
AMG.
The Evo VIII steering is go-kart quick; the
handling is tight; the car is quick, powerful, fast.
If you want luxury, prestige, go with MB.
But if want excitement, fun-to-drive, exhilaration, try the Evo.
The price? $30K.
Test drive one and tell me what you think.


....err AutoTalk

[Kühl Carbon]

Originally posted by pokerface
....err AutoTalk

yep ;)

[vader13]

I blew one of those things away, Thats all I know

[AMGDood]

Originally posted by vader13
I blew one of those things away, Thats all I know

hahahaha

[reiKo]

Originally posted by vader13
I blew one of those things away, Thats all I know

Right on hehe..

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Originally posted by vader13
I blew one of those things away, Thats all I know
Really? Like you smoked it? It must be a regular lancer O.Z Edition. :D

[AMGDood]

Originally posted by So.Cal_Benzo
Really? Like you smoked it? It must be a regular lancer O.Z Edition. :D

lol...sounds like someone needs some amg edjumacation.

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Ya i know that C32 AMG is fasst, and it really is faster than an M3. But come'on.. its a Lancer Evo, it does 0-60mph in 4.7-4.9 secs, so its not too far off with the C32 or M3.

[AMGDood]

Originally posted by So.Cal_Benzo
Ya i know that C32 AMG is fasst, and it really is faster than an M3. But come'on.. its a Lancer Evo, it does 0-60mph in 4.7-4.9 secs, so its not too far off with the C32 or M3.

completely agree with...but when vader raced one it was when the car 1st came out so the driver probably didnt know the fastest way to launch it. Thats why he could beat it up. Now Im sure with an experience lancer driver it would be a much more even race with the end result even being different. Damn awd cars.

[714guy]

today i was passing thru the parking lot and damn all I could see is that big silver intercooler smack right dap in the middle same with those dodge neons.

[ThreePointsix]

Evos are Hard to launch, my roomate has had his since Feb. They are a beatch to get out of the whole b/c of the awd & stuff. Now from a roll, they are tougher to beat. A 2.0L running 13.70's @ 104 - 105 is reall badazz. My roomate has the 3" stainless xhaust w/downpipe, boost controller & open air cleaner at the house & ECU is in the works. After install this month it should put him in the high 12's @ 110mph w/ those 4 items. Respect the evo - they are bad to the bone.

[sanf]

wait until the STI.......

[ThreePointsix]

STI's are already at the local dealer. No radio or hole in the roof. only a tad bit faster(stock). Steering & handling arent even in the same league. Read the newest Car&Driver. STI got second place. Imo..Looks nerdy too? Oh yhea STI is like $1,500 more. ALOT more rear leg room in the EVO to boot. Hp #'s don't always make a car king of its own crowd.

Case in point:
In the late '80's early '90's the king was the cheaper, less powerful(in stock form) Mustang 5.0. The 5.7 Z/28 IROC's were expensive & had more hp, but were almost never embraced by the street racers.

[potatobbq]

Originally posted by So.Cal_Benzo
Ya i know that C32 AMG is fasst, and it really is faster than an M3. But come'on.. its a Lancer Evo, it does 0-60mph in 4.7-4.9 secs, so its not too far off with the C32 or M3.

Yea, I agree.... assuming the C32 is fairly stock. I don't think a stock C32 would "blow away" a stock Evo8, but I guess that also depends on your definition of "blow away". Personally, I only consider it "blowing away" another car if you're pulling at every gear...

Also, I'd always gotten the impression that AWD cars are usually able to get a pretty good jump when racing from a dead stop. When I had my RX-7 and I went up againts Eclipse GSXs and WRXs, they would be able to get a nice jump before I would be able to pass.

[vietguy949]

hmm id take both cars over my errrr ummmm civic haha

[xyz]

I blew one of those things away, Thats all I know

First:

We need to compare apples and apples.
We must have same professional test driver;
same day, same venues, same weather conditions, driving the C32, the evo8 back -to-back. measure the 0-60, 1/4 mile with
quality timers. Then find out who's faster
in straight line acceleration.
(see Car and Driver times on C32, WRX STi and Evo8 )

straight line acceleration is only ONE aspect of performance.
You could "blow away" a c32 with a 2003
Mustang Cobra SVT, but would you want aCobra even for only ~$30K?
How about handling, cornering, lateral acceleration,
g number, slalom speed, autoxing?
steering feel?

Second:
The reason you blew him away was b/c
The evo8 driver might not know how to shift
quickly; or you the c32 owner is a better driver.

Third, I drove both the C32 and the Evo8;
I had twice the fun driving the Evo8 for
half the money ( decked out C32 is ~$60K ).

[pokerface]

Originally posted by xyz
First:

We need to compare apples and apples.
We must have same professional test driver;
same day, same venues, same weather conditions, driving the C32, the evo8 back -to-back. measure the 0-60, 1/4 mile with
quality timers. Then find out who's faster
in straight line acceleration.
(see Car and Driver times on C32, WRX STi and Evo8 )

straight line acceleration is only ONE aspect of performance.
You could "blow away" a c32 with a 2003
Mustang Cobra SVT, but would you want aCobra even for only ~$30K?
How about handling, cornering, lateral acceleration,
g number, slalom speed, autoxing?
steering feel?

Second:
The reason you blew him away was b/c
The evo8 driver might not know how to shift
quickly; or you the c32 owner is a better driver.

Third, I drove both the C32 and the Evo8;
I had twice the fun driving the Evo8 for
half the money ( decked out C32 is ~$60K ).

...vader13, knowing him (well, really, I dont :rolleyes: ) was probably just being sarcastic :silly:

[dtmcoupe]

its all about the driver...i think we will be adding one to the stable soon, awd is easy to launch, but u are very hard on the clutch with a 4k dump ;)

[Rocky]

How does the Evo 8 fair against 'The Geo'? (Or 'The Saturn"?)

[xyz]

The evo8 looks ourageous. The aluminum flared fenders, aluminum hood with scoop.
The red Brembo monoblock aluminum calipers.
The huge carbon fiber rear spoiler.
According to Motor Trend, 0-60 in 4.59, 1/4 mile in 13.
I drove a performance package BMW 330i last
Saturday; compared to the Evo8, the PP 330i
is like decaf to espresso.

That said, I still like my mod '97 C280 a lot; it's refined, and
has a lot of class, and quality, and is beautiful.
MB sure does not make them like they used to.

I wish I had more time and garage space for both the C280 and a new silver Evo8.

[vader13]

Originally posted by AMGDood
completely agree with...but when vader raced one it was when the car 1st came out so the driver probably didnt know the fastest way to launch it. Thats why he could beat it up. Now Im sure with an experience lancer driver it would be a much more even race with the end result even being different. Damn awd cars.

Yup, He showed up at a meet. He had it one day (I had mine around 12 days), we got kicked out of the lot and we somehow both got ligned up at a light. We lreved and took off. He launced a little onme in 2nd, but I had em all the way to the next block..He was trying and pretty bummed after..

[vader13]

[CKlasse]

It is true... I had the chance to drive this lil beast last weekend. It earns some respect from me. EVO VIII is definitely a contender. :)

now..if you take the price into consideration... umph! (at Mile High Mitsubishi, they have 'adjusted market value' of $36000.)

[dtmcoupe]

i think its a good car and its going to be a tuners dream, i wish we got the clio v6 over here!!! or the elise for that matter :( i hear its coming though

[See43Ulater]

Motor Trend Got the Evo 8 to 4.59 0-60. A stock C32 should be 4.8 give or take, so whoever it was that blew away that one, it had to have been the driver. Not only that, but it out cornered and out braked the Ferrari 575 and Lambo Murc, as well as many others, Go 12.6 Brembos!!!

[vader13]

Originally posted by See43Ulater
Motor Trend Got the Evo 8 to 4.59 0-60. A stock C32 should be 4.8 give or take, so whoever it was that blew away that one, it had to have been the driver. Not only that, but it out cornered and out braked the Ferrari 575 and Lambo Murc, as well as many others, Go 12.6 Brembos!!!

I blew it AWAY ..and if it wanted to race top speed on the freeway I would blow it away again stock..I am doing a pully kit that will put 333hp to the wheels and give me a top speed of 170.Also stock 13 inch brembos.
My boy R Millen tunes those things right down the street from me. I know all about em..Nice cars, but no Benzo..and the STi will destroy it video link of AMG POWER
ttp://members.cox.net/lowryder/TeckademicsC32burnout.wmv

[AMG203]

Originally posted by vader13
I blew one of those things away, Thats all I know



Thats what I like to hear!!:D

[AMG203]

Originally posted by AMGDood
completely agree with...but when vader raced one it was when the car 1st came out so the driver probably didnt know the fastest way to launch it. Thats why he could beat it up. Now Im sure with an experience lancer driver it would be a much more even race with the end result even being different. Damn awd cars.

Originally posted by ThreePointsix
Evos are Hard to launch, my roomate has had his since Feb. They are a beatch to get out of the whole b/c of the awd & stuff. Now from a roll, they are tougher to beat. A 2.0L running 13.70's @ 104 - 105 is reall badazz. My roomate has the 3" stainless xhaust w/downpipe, boost controller & open air cleaner at the house & ECU is in the works. After install this month it should put him in the high 12's @ 110mph w/ those 4 items. Respect the evo - they are bad to the bone.


Not really nothing like a "Set of Drag Radials" wont fix I still think the C32 can beat them at least 2 cars with or with out a decent driver (taking the fact that its automatic)!!!!!

Also what I'm going to say might sound cocky and offensive to some of you but if you think rolling is better with AWD rather then getting out the hole you cant "DRIVE for S**T" because thats one of the best advantages you have out the hole!!

[dtmcoupe]

drag isnt the most important thing to some people...a tuned slk32 would destroy me....but on a track i would hand it's ass to it.

[xyz]

To Vader and AMG 203:

There is much more to performance than 0-60 time.

You are comparing a $30k car to a $60k car,
and still the Evo8 is way more fun.

For $50k, I could get a Z06 and blow away the C32 everywhich way.

I would never waste $ on the C32. For another
$20K I could get an E55. Now that's money well spent.

[vader13]

Originally posted by xyz
To Vader and AMG 203:

There is much more to performance than 0-60 time.

You are comparing a $30k car to a $60k car,
and still the Evo8 is way more fun.

For $50k, I could get a Z06 and blow away the C32 everywhich way.

I would never waste $ on the C32. For another
$20K I could get an E55. Now that's money well spent.

Dude I hate to tell you this,,,This is BNZsport not cheapturbosport.com .

[dtmcoupe]

z06 is a mid life crisis mullett mobile :) no quality
c32 will out perform an e55 because the e55 is alot bigger.
xyz your comments make you look stupid

[Daez Nutz]

In my eyes...

Evo/STi = Boy racer. Fun, maybe. Sophisticated? Not by a longshot.
Z06 = Is and always will be a white T mobile. Quick, yes. Classy? You're kidding, right?
C32/E55 = Banker's hotrod. Discreet performance. Subtle, unassuming, refined. Cars for ppl who like to enjoy their morning commute without catching the eyes of reckless pubescent drag racers and sneaky black & whites around every corner.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[xyz]

z06 is a mid life crisis mullett mobile no quality
c32 will out perform an e55 because the e55 is alot bigger.
xyz your comments make you look stupid

Obviously you haven't heard of the 2004
supercharged e55.
go to mbusa.

Here are some factory AMG stats:
2004 e55 0-60 4.5
2004 C32 0-60 4.9

The C5R won its class in the 24 hrs Lemans.
darned durable for a low quality car.

What planet are you on?

[vader13]

Originally posted by xyz
Obviously you haven't heard of the 2004
supercharged e55.
go to mbusa.

Here are some factory AMG stats:
2004 e55 0-60 4.5
2004 C32 0-60 4.9

The C5R won its class in the 24 hrs Lemans.
darned durable for a low quality car.

What planet are you on?

The 2004 is not 20 grand more than the C32..LOL Try like 40,+ They are gonna jack that price up werse than that at the dealer. The C32 will take that boat in the twisties for sure.
E Class's are pimp cars C class Sporty so if you want a Pimp or Sporty car you can go with either one. Corvettes are getto and I blow those things away too..
Also C32 cost around 50 not 60 and I am starting to get the feeling you have never drove one..

[dtmcoupe]

hahahahahaha your right a every c5 comes off the lot like a lemans car :P

hahahahahah you think 0-60 means everything

hahahahah you think an e55 would out perform a c32 on a track
ahahahahahahaahahahahahah

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Well, Evo imo is the best bang for the buck. For 32++ Grand you get under 5 second 0-60mph time and a fast 1/4mile run too, a great handling 4-door sedan (71mph through the slalom test.. like WOW), AWD, sporty looking, bucket seats, legendary car for its racing heritage(WRC) its a street version of the WRC Evo, and some say the engine is more reliable than the Sti's engine. What more could you ask? If i was on a tight budget for a fast everyday car i would definitely get the Evo. If money isn't an issue i would get a C32 or E55, for sure.


The C32 WILL beat an E55 on the track.. but not in a straight line.

Z06? Ok it's fast, its an American car = unreliability, poor quality interior... no wonder its cheap. In Europe and Asia,it doesn't sell that well over there... Esp. Europe where they want REAL sports cars.. not a cheaply made Chevy that just goes fast in a straight line. Z06, is far from being refined compared to a Porsche 911 (996), heck even an AMG or M car. C5 may win the LeMans, but Helloooooooooo... a C5 LeMans and the road-version are two different cars. It may have the name because it won LeMans... but i dont think it will sell unless it becomes a better car in terms of quality and reliability.

[dtmcoupe]

so cal your wrong all c5 vettes come with 1200lb spring rates, full roll cages, recaro race buckets, an engine thats only made to run a few thousand miles, and brakes that do the same. :P :P your right xyz and the car Kimi drives at "work" is very similar to the benzes you and i drive. kinda hard to compare a road car to a race car nomatter how tuned it is, it will ALWAYS be a far cry from a real race car.

[xyz]

According to R&T, C&D, Automobile, Motor Trend, The C32 is always last in comparisons with the S4 and M3.

Now, these magazines know more about cars than you and I do, and all of them find the
M3 better, let alone the new S4 which is
ranked the best with its V8 engine.

As for MB today's quality, go to mbspy or
c32life and see what owners say about the new MB's reliability.
Or look at the original ML's.

"I am starting to get the feeling you have never drove one.."

I drove the C32 several times and decided not to buy one. One of the reasons is that I want to be in control of the car, not depend on some
automatic transmission to drive the car for me while I just steer.

My feeling is that
in a truly great car, most of the money, goes
into the engine, the suspension, the brakes, the tires, the transmission, and not the bells and whistles (
electronic gizmos ).

That's where the money is, in a Z06.

Here is an example of MB low quality material: I can buy a set of C32 MB front brakes
made, by the way, by Brembo, for $750
( just ask Randall of AWE ). Why?
Because the calipers are made of 3 pieces screwed together, the design is called "lotus", instead of the monoblock design called the "f50" . The lotus caliper
weighs 3.45kg or 7.61 lbs each ( that's heavy ); the rotors are 1 piece and weigh
about 25lbs each ( that's heavy ); the rotors
are not directional ( the L and R are the same ). The lotus pads and piston areas are small.

As you know, unsprung mass is the enemy of handling. The suspension pieces in the Z06 are
made of aluminum..

The interior of the C32 is plasticky compared to the interior of the E55 where soft Nappa leather and black bird's eye wood are used.
The front brakes of the E55 has 14.2" rotors;
the calipers are 8-pistons, monoblocks;
as they say, in luxury, " God is in the details".
If I am not wrong, the slalom speed of the E55 is better than that of th C32.

"engineered like no other car"; that's what MB said in the old days of the 92-94 E500 and all the other pre-96 E class; can we say
that of the millions and millions of new MB's? just ask your friendly MB mechanic.
Does MB say that anymore, today?

The E55 can be bought in my MB dealearship for MSRP $76K.

[AMGDood]

Dont bring that magazine bs in here and dont compare a C32 to a Z06! they are 2 completely different cars. The Z06 is for people that dont care about anything else other than speed. I remember sitting in my friends zo6 and going wow...this interior reminds me of our old 94 suburban...IT SUCKS! The c32 is a great balance between luxury and performance. You can drive it everyday and blow the doors off almost any car on the road at the same time. The evo is a nice car and its got great power. But Id rather have a C32 over that thing any day of the week.

Here's a tip...knock on the door panels. When you hit the C32's door you hear not much sound at all. When you hit the evo's door you hear the sound of a tin can.

[dtmcoupe]

thank you amgdood :) and btw anyone who thinks "those" magazines are an authority are kidding them selves they test cars for the general public, they bitch and moan about stiff suspensions, lack of cup holders, confusing radio controls and gas economy, please i know when i drive over a penny (and i can tell if it was heads or tails :D )

[rana]

Originally posted by dtmcoupe
thank you amgdood :) and btw anyone who thinks "those" magazines are an authority are kidding them selves they test cars for the general public, they bitch and moan about stiff suspensions, lack of cup holders, confusing radio controls and gas economy, please i know when i drive over a penny (and i can tell if it was heads or tails :D )

LOL

[Dr. ///AMG]

ok too much crap to read but here's my take:

The vette is fun, it turns head (hey, it's SLO), I like the "exotic" feel. BUT it's a godamn GM, and man, the quality sunk donkey balls. They got that big radio with big ass button made for Shrek or something. Anyway,
quality :(
Fun :)
Cool factor :)
Resale value :(
Compares well to mercedes :((

Gimme an E55 so I Can go race some 550 Marellano! (sp?)

[So.Cal_Benzo]

A lot of people have said that the C32 is faster than an M3, and it is better on the track because of its stiffer chassis. And we all know that U.S mags are biased towards BMW...

[dtmcoupe]

come to the track you will see c32 killing m3's all day long. a good suspension setup makes that car perform....the designers went too soft on the spring rates....but anyone who thinks a stock m3 is nimble is lost....m3's are pigs

[CKlasse]

I have testdriven most of the cars mentioned on this discussion. I agree with most of you, however it would be shameful to back our words with other than our own experience.

PLEASE do not mix up Media Marketing with reality. Just my .02 :)

[rana]

Originally posted by CKlasse


PLEASE do not mix up Media Marketing with reality. Just my .02 :)

:werd:

[See43Ulater]

Wasnt this thread supposed to be about the Lancer Evo? This forum has a bad habbit of changing topics. And if you really want to get nit picky about the C32 vs the Evo, and Evo would kill a C32 x country, you know, rally style, lol:p

[dtmcoupe]

its spelled rallie :P they are 2 DIFFERENT CARS STOP TRYING TO COMPARE THEM. theres some tracks that "lesser" cars would shine. on the streets of willow an s2000 or m coupe would destroy an f50, move over to the big track and you would have a different result (very different!!) this "couch" racing is so stupid.

[See43Ulater]

Just like M coupe is pronounced M Coupay right? :mad:

[dtmcoupe]

its only por-sha if you own one...for non owners its por-che ;) and its only m coupay if you you live in europe :D

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Yea its Porsh-sha.. not Porsh!;) I like the way the Europeans pronounce it.
This is waaaaaayyyyyy of topic.:P

[dtmcoupe]

nothin wrong with a lil thread hijacking:)

[CKlasse]

On the contrary, 'non-hijacked' thread only means boring thread! :P :P :P :D

[vader13]

Ok Just speaking from my expierience on the road..
I raced a new Vette,,Blew him away
I raced a Evo and WRX never lost
I have raced several M3's and never lost
I have been neck and neck with a M5 and the trafiic got heavy
I have destroyed severla S4's and I.8T's
No Benz's have tryed to step to me cause they know not too.
On a road track with a better driver any of those cars could spank me.
Street racing for a stoplight I have never lost and I really need to chill a little..

[Daez Nutz]

Originally posted by vader13
I really need to chill a little..

Haha, take deep breaths, you don't have to race everyone.

[vader13]

Originally posted by Daez Nutz
Haha, take deep breaths, you don't have to race everyone.

The funny thing is pll step to me yo, They think I am a regular C Class. Then after they "GET RAPED " they drive away like a beat dog with the tails between their legs licking their kicked balls and crying to momma..

[AMGDood]

Originally posted by vader13
The funny thing is pll step to me yo, They think I am a regular C Class. Then after they "GET RAPED " they drive away like a beat dog with the tails between their legs licking their kicked balls and crying to momma..

haha...same thing happens to me and I can conccur with the list of cars vader has mentioned above. M3-bro has one we race all the time and i win. M5-stayed even till about 110 when i hit the brakes. WRX-killed one on the freeway..it was like a joke. S4-beaten many lost to one who does 1/4 mile is 12.6. I kinda stopped racing though after my friend got his truck impounded for racing. Theyre cracking down hard in california now. especially after that damn movie came out this weekend.

[dtmcoupe]

Originally posted by vader13
The funny thing is pll step to me yo, They think I am a regular C Class. Then after they "GET RAPED " they drive away like a beat dog with the tails between their legs licking their kicked balls and crying to momma..


little too graphic there vader13 ;)

[ThreePointsix]

Per hijacked thread,

If my C36 came up missing, totaled, or sold for the right price I will go buy an EVO right now. They are just to fun to drive all day. You roll at the middle of any gear & you get the classic delay before the power comes on & it is addicting to chase. You sub-conciously drive that way just like a 600cc rice-rocket bike. The handling & steering is completely wicked for a 30k car.

I'm not here to talk about deficiencies in MB & BMW spring rates, shock valving compared to group-N rally cars such as the EVO. This is Autotalk & Motorsports, not Mercedes car discussion. I know the EVO is a sick car that is capable of supporting 360hp w/ stock intercooler & internals - up to 500-600hp w/internals & phat cooler.....out of a 2.0L for christs sake! That is simply sick & it can be done for the same or less $$ than a new Viper or GT3. Guys have been building Eclipses w/ these motors for years now - they are cars that arent practical though? This thing(EVO) has a trunk & foor doors & bright HID's.

The interiors look cheap in all the magazines. Nope(IMO), they are nicely put together & do not emit ANY creaks or moans - yet. My only gripe is the cheezy stereo/cd but at least it comes w/one! STI doesnt.

If I lived out West I would get black b/c all the plastic trim will blend in. Warrender UK has a 450hp option they can install turnkey already so it is just a matter of months before you will see these cars running near 120mph in the 1/4 here in the US. Check out Warrenders site in the UK .....

http://www.warrender.co.uk/homefrmr.htm

Also see.....
http://www.lancerregister.com/ for more hardcore info & possibilities

[MrSpace]

Evo has been in my dream cars for a long time.

If you want a compare between the evo and sti

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?se...2&page_number=1 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=592&page_number=1)

but it's road and track, some to take, some to leave

Etienne

[See43Ulater]

nevermind