Police Shoot Suspect *Video*

[Henry47]

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/video/shoot...8-Armstrong.wmv (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/video/shooting051103/Unit%20138-Armstrong.wmv)

Do you think the policemen's actions were justified? Discuss.

[Dr. ///AMG]

Justified.

Pointed gun at officer off screen to the left once.

Pointed it another time at cop, and made him duck.

Fleeing felon.

[BadBenz94]

Fully AGREED!!! JUSTIFIED....Im a police officer and anytime a person points a gun at you (or someone else), deadly force is justified, its always hindsight that...."the person was just trying to scare you, or he really didnt mean it" but the truth of the matter is, we don't know what the person's intention(s) are, I plan on going home every night to my family and I dont think about what ifs...police officers have to make split second decisions, basically judge, jury and at times executioner...its not easy, but its the commitment we take to protect the rights of others....its never easy, its just the way it is.

[jl88]

41 shots

[BadBenz94]

Originally posted by jl88
41 shots


I didnt listen to how many shots were fired (no speakers) but when ur adrenaline is moving and innocent peoples lives are at stake things happen in extremes. IMHO

[jl88]

Originally posted by BadBenz94
I didnt listen to how many shots were fired (no speakers) but when ur adrenaline is moving and innocent peoples lives are at stake things happen in extremes. IMHO

I was referring to the murder of Amadou Diallo by the NYPD.

It's unfortunate that a small number of policeofficers can ruin the reputation of a thousand man police force.

HOWEVER, perception IS everything and when you have police officers that act like cowboys and you have fellow police officers protecting each other, right or wrong, behind a BIG BLUE WALL OF BULL$HIT, well then.. sorry, i'm more afraid of my local police department than my local crips, bloods, florencia, wah ching, etc

At least when you get into trouble with gang members, you're probably looking for it.. whereas, i can get shot by the local police for grabbing for my wallet..

3 subjects that get my blood BOILING: war on drugs, police brutality, and the prison industry.

[BadBenz94]

Originally posted by jl88
HOWEVER, perception IS everything and when you have police officers that act like cowboys and you have fellow police officers protecting each other, right or wrong, behind a BIG BLUE WALL OF BULL$HIT, well then.. sorry, i'm more afraid of my local police department than my local crips, bloods, florencia, wah ching, etc


I understand how perception can damage the image of any group of people but you need to take that with a grain of salt as well, Im not here to get in an argument with you or argue semantics...we are fellow bnzsporters....but I sincerely doubt you are more afraid of us than you are of gangbangers....remember that the next time you call us, I always hear how generally the lowlifes, dirt bags ,no goods, whatever hate, dont trust us whatever, but as soon as a problem arises WE are the first ones they call. We are not a perfect group of individuals but no group is. Hopefully justice and time will weed out the bad.

[BadBenz94]

Originally posted by jl88
....you have fellow police officers protecting each other, right or wrong, behind a BIG BLUE WALL OF BULL$HIT, ....


Ok here is my final stand on my soapbox and Im done

....in regards to your comment about the officers in blue protecting each other....the blue wall stands there for a multitude of reasons...for one, when the crud hits the fan, not you or 99 percent of the gereral public is going to come to my aid to save my life if there is a volley of gunfire, a domestic fight that involves any weapon, a school with a gunman at large, a bank robber armed with automatic weapons or a large crowd that has turned on the officer(s)...nor is it going to be you to defend us when the video camera is turned on at the last second to understand what happened the previous 5-10 minutes b4 the camera was rolling, its going to be another officer from another district, local, precient off or on-duty, to help me out.
I wish it were not the case when the officer is in the wrong but this too happens in every class of people, especially in poverty areas where the people are afraid to tell the truth for fear of their lives from the people who commit the crimes, everyone is a witness yet no one can or will stand because of your weak ass "bangers" and "hoods", and as far as corruption with in ourselves, it is estimated to be lower than what oocurs in any white collar job, priesthood or any other profession....again we need help too but we do a hell of job considering what we get paid and the lives that benfit from our presence and the ultimate sacrifice(giving up their life) officers make every year to protect you.

[scottschoe]

was the cop on the right shooting anything??? didn't seem to slow down the suspect whatever it was

[jl88]

I'm going to say things, some that you will take offense to, but it's no way directed at you specifically. This is my opinion as an chinese-american college educated upper middle class male..

The root cause and reason for such animosity against police officers is this: The public does not hold police officers to higher standards and police officers do not strive to achieve higher standards. Whenever an innocent person dies because of police error, the excuse is ALWAYS "we're only human". I can cite you numerous incidents where police officers have killed innocent people because of poor evaluation of the scene, poor decision making, and emotional reflex. These symptoms are indicative of either 1) poor training and 2) poor judgement. The root cause of both those symptoms is AVERAGE INTELLIGENCE. I am not saying police officers are STUPID, but a regular patrol job is BORING AS HELL. It is 99% routine with 1% of pure terror. It is a FACT that if you test too well on intelligence tests, they will not accept you as a regular beat cop. The reason is this: Intelligent people will find police work boring as hell and will get dissatisfied in a short amount of time, thus, wasting training time and resources.

How this all ties in together: The public cannot expect police officers to be supermen because these police officers are only AVERAGE. They cannot even possibly live up to these expectations. The reverse is that police officers do not try to achieve higher standards because they 1) believe these standards are unobtainable and/or 2) these standards established by the public are unreasonable.

You cannot expect Mr. Joe Schmoe to be a Michael Jordan, or hell, even a Shawn Bradley. Mr. Joe Schmoe does not have the mental, physical, emotional requirements to match or exceed expectations when it comes to a certain task, IE police work.

This is not professional basketball.. if a mcdonald's employee messes up your order, who the hell cares?? its only a hamburger.

HOWEVER, We are talking about HUMAN LIVES.. yours and mine's..

I will NOT be a martyr because some cowboy with a gun that received proper training cannot properly evaluate a situation and fired on ME because he was afraid. ONE mistake, ONE bad call, ONE slip and you will end the life of an innocent person. And **** YOU to the police officers that lie and cover up for him.

Police officers are suppose to represent RIGHT AND WRONG. Not US VERSUS YOU. That's unfortunately what cops believe. What you wrote is indicative of that belief. What is the common perception of the public by the police? Police officers have to deal with the scum of the earth every day. Rapists, drug users, drug dealers, petty criminals, gang members, wife beaters, etc. If you EMERSE yourself in SHIT, you start believing everything around you is SHIT. Now take someone that is of only average intelligence and believes that he is on the side of right and you end up with a person that cannot handle the task given to him.

My conclusion: Police officers should be perceived as better than us. We must look up to police officers, not as donut eating racial profiling party pooping anal violating 41 shot idiots with a badge and a gun. They should represent RIGHT and fight against WRONG. They should be held to higher expectations. They must know that with great responsibility comes great burden. They must understand that when one of their brothers commits a wrong, he must SUFFER the consequences. Because that is what the whole legal system is based upon: crime = punishment.

In summary, I don't have a solution. Shit, I contradicted myself at least half a dozen times. But at least i'm aware of my flaws and aware of the world around me. To think that you're always right is silly. To think that you're always right and you have a GUN, well, that is just murderous...

[sf280]

Originally posted by jl88
I'm going to say things, some that you will take offense to, but it's no way directed at you specifically. This is my opinion as an chinese-american college educated upper middle class male..


Driving a modded out S-Class and then a tricked out SL as a low 20 something I think would qualify you above the "upper middle" ;)

Yeah Cops protect each other, so do investment bankers, doctors and lawyers - it is just a matter of their line of work.

[BadBenz94]

OK, Im not trying to say Im always right and that the points you make are not valid....you make a lot of great points and your right alot of officers do need additional training and alot are generally of average intelligence,(and most people are AVERAGE thats why the few shoot straight to the top) but I felt that you were grouping all officers together and in general they are belittled beyond belief by the public. You make some great points especially about the crap in, crap out theory and that is being addressed abeit slowly. I too have found it very boring and below my mental standards at times but am always proud of what I do and the job that 99 percent of the other officers do, Maybe that is one of the reasons I no longer due this full time, I do financial planning full time and do the police thing part time(4 -6 day a month) and have EXTENSIVE police training. I feel that as much as I try to stress my point you will counter and this is becoming moot. Therefore all I can say is yes there are problems on BOTH sides and that they need to be addressed. If you are ever in the Chicago land area I invite you to come along for a ride along and of course to share Benz ideas! Hell any member for that fact that is in the Chicagoland area had better make contact with me!! LOL:D

[carmaniac]

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