190e 3.2 Vs C36

[rammbs]

check out the video. really nice. this is Sean's 190E w/ an '95 E320 engine swap. he ran mid 14s @ sea level.




190E vs C36 (http://190rev.vsf88.com/upload/pix/190E/E32vsC36.wmv)

[RolexBenz190E]

I'm suprised no one has replied to this thread yet! lol. This is Sean by the way. I'm new to this forum.

Sean D. :D

[krk230]

hot damn...the C36 got p0wn3d... :o

[BrabusBenz300e]

:o

[BadBenz94]

Nice job!! How was the conversion process and do you have any pics??
:)
Chris

[redline]

thats an awesome transplant! Probably much cheaper than an 8!

And welcome to the forum!

[rammbs]

i have a couple of pics saved...

http://190rev.vsf88.com/upload/pix/junk/sean-3.jpg
http://190rev.vsf88.com/upload/pix/junk/sean-4.jpg

[mushedroom]

always thought the 190's were fun
now i know they're devilishly fast...er
well can be...
woo hooo
kudos for a clean conversion and
kudos for smokin that C-Klasse....

[Ozzie Bob]

Originally posted by RolexBenz190E@Dec 17 2004, 02:04 PM
I'm suprised no one has replied to this thread yet! lol. This is Sean by the way. I'm new to this forum.

Sean D. :D
I know who you are, and I know you like white coverall's :D :P

[redline]

Nice pictures! Such a clean swap!

[RolexBenz190E]

Thanks every one! Wow RAM, I totaly forgot you had those pics! BTW, how is that Calendar coming? If you want to see more pics and more mods that I have done to my car, go ahead and go to:

My Webpage (http://www.cardomain.com/id/rolexbenz190e)

Go through all the pages, I'm sure it'll be fun :D The conversion process... Engine fittage, easy (kinda). Take the front end off (headlights, fans, radiator, chassi beam, bumper, etc.) and you slide the motor and tranny into place instead of lowering it in. The hard part is the electronics..... EFI, ABS, Cruise, getting everything electronicaly working. THATS THE HARD PART, so I hear. Splicing the wires more then 8 times, just a bunch of la la la la... Like my engine detailing? lol
:hmmm:

[Brabus]

C36's suck!~

[RolexBenz190E]

lol, you don't like your C36? I think they looks awesome!

Sean

[Vodka G]

nice :-)

but it looks like the c36 had a bad launch......caz it looks like the 190e took off first then the c36 started going

[Renn 208]

Originally posted by Vodka G@Dec 21 2004, 12:58 PM
nice :-)

but it looks like the c36 had a bad launch......caz it looks like the 190e took off first then the c36 started going
...whether it's by an inch or a mile...

[dshr]

Originally posted by Renn 208@Dec 21 2004, 04:48 PM
...whether it's by an inch or a mile...
2 Fast 2 Furious :wacko:

[Brabus]

Originally posted by dshr@Dec 21 2004, 03:11 PM
2 Fast 2 Furious :wacko:
Actually, that's the oG FAF

[nenad16]

i have a 3.2L out of a 95 E320 in my C280, but it would never beat a C36, no way, and I have full exhaust, intake + few more little things.

nenad

[RolexBenz190E]

I'll have to try leaving the car in the "D" possition, I didn't try that yet. The C36 might have gone a little late, but non the less, the track times posted on the board minus the reaction time. The time on posted on the board started once the car started moving and ended when it past the 1/4 line. The reaction time started when the light turned green and ended when the car started moving. So his reaction + 1/4 mile = about 16.366 or 15.7 with JUST 1/4 mile. The C36's BEST TIME was 15.4 even though he tried with ASR on and off etc. etc.

nenad16

The reason you wouldn't be able to beat him is because your car only weighs 40lbs less than the C36 and the C36 has about 40-50 more HP then you. Not only that, I'm sure your gearing is way way different then the C36's.

Sean

[J Irwan]

That is sure one tired C36...



Not many people know that car this caliber and cars like E30 M3 will not perform its true capability when the engine is out of tuned.


Based on my observation on various forum, a lot of C36 owners only work on their cosmetics. Very few really spent the money to maintain the engine ..to perform as close to stock specification or better than stock...


nonetheless just like everybody else said. A win is a win..




Regardz,

J Irwan

[dshr]

Originally posted by Brabus@Dec 21 2004, 06:03 PM
Actually, that's the oG FAF
I know I'm just joining the clowing ;)

[Ozzie Bob]

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http://members.optusnet.com.au/bertkumar/Fat%20F%20-%20Winning%202.JPG

;)

[RolexBenz190E]

lol... The guy I raced belongs to Club202.com and his user name is cian36n, so ask him your self. I know for a fact that this car is better then stock. There is no mechanical failure at all on this car. The owner maintains engine specs before visual appearence. Before he got his car he drove mine, and then he got excited to buy a fast car. We looked at all the specs and things before he finaly decided (we did a lot fo research). And all the research did go to show that his new car will deffinately be faster then mine. But there AREN'T any specs for my car, just component specs, no over all specs. So we had to play to guessing game. Non the less his plan was to be faster then me. The car is perfect, and I'm serious. The engine is in presteige condition and it's preformance has only been increased.

Sean

[dshr]

Rolex you still planning to turbo your M104 motor ?

[J Irwan]

Originally posted by RolexBenz190E@Dec 22 2004, 07:12 PM
lol... The guy I raced belongs to Club202.com and his user name is cian36n, so ask him your self. I know for a fact that this car is better then stock. There is no mechanical failure at all on this car. The owner maintains engine specs before visual appearence. Before he got his car he drove mine, and then he got excited to buy a fast car. We looked at all the specs and things before he finaly decided (we did a lot fo research). And all the research did go to show that his new car will deffinately be faster then mine. But there AREN'T any specs for my car, just component specs, no over all specs. So we had to play to guessing game. Non the less his plan was to be faster then me. The car is perfect, and I'm serious. The engine is in presteige condition and it's preformance has only been increased.

Sean
Sean

just FYI , the earlier C36 95-96 and cianC36 is a 96 if I Am not mistaken

Is not geared for sprint and have only 4 speed transmission. Plus, it has less hp and torque vs a 97 C36.


95-96 has 2.82 rear end and 97 C36 has 3.07 rear end.



Plus clean engine bay doesn't indicate the engine is in prestine conditions ;).


Regardz,


J Irwan

[RolexBenz190E]

Here are the exact specs of his car (I'm at his house right now):

-1995 C36 AMG
-2.87:1 Diff. ratio
-275hp at the crank (ACIM Industries exhaust system) but lets just say he has a stock 268hp.

Like I said before, I know this car is in PERFECT condition. I know that if the engine bay is clean, that doesn't meen the engine is in perfect working condition. But he bought it in perfect working condition and has kept it that way. He has taken apart the engine many times to look at the internal components, he has replaced everything twice (fluids, spark plugs, wires, etc.). He knows tons more about cars then I do, his is car perfect. If you think about it, my car SHOULD be faster then him because. My car weighs 500lbs less. And my 3.27:1 diff. gives me more power to the wheels do to the shortning of the gears. That why you see me peeling out and him not. Diff. ratio is a BIG factor in this. They work like pully system. If you aren't able to lift something heavy, you use a pully system and it makes it lighter depending on the pullies you use. So in theory, it gives you more power then you actually have. So in theory, I have probably about as much HP as he does, except a little less. But my car still weighs 500lbs less *shrug*.

Sean

[oosix]

It seems like this is really important to you. In that case, I'll say that I agree with you that the C36 isn't fast. I have a 96 and I've always felt that way. It is a strong pulling 4 door and I like it since it looks pretty nice to me. But, it's too heavy and when the engine gets hot, the software retards the timing, making the car feel a bit sluggish, IMO.

[55 ON IT]

On a highway run where the C36 is better suited, it should walk that 190e 3.2. Nevertheless, bad start or not, nice kill!

[RolexBenz190E]

That's what I thought too, that he'd walk on me on the highway. I raced him on the high way coming back from the track (with some one else driving). Both these drivers are very very good and were raised around Mercedes, I have no doubt in their driving abilities. But he pulled up to me at 65mph honked his horn 3 times and we both took off at the same time. It was a really really good race because I found out how my pull was. It was head to head basicaly except for the fact I was pulling 1" every second (very slow pull). My rpm's where getting higher in my 4th gear (about 5,300) and my pull started to be less. Soon he started to gain what he had lost as soon as my rpm's hit about 6,000and at 125mph (again back to head to head action) he got on the brakes because of a 5/0 on the other side of the highway. So I know totaly he could take me after 125, but who wants to go that fast any ways?

Oosix

It's not that it is really important to me, it's just that I don't know why it's so hard to believe that my car is faster then a C36. I've beaten other cars that would also be faster then a C36 as well, so I wouldn't doubt that my car was faster thena C36. Kinda like I don't need to race a stock 2000 Honda Civic EX because a C36 is faster then one and I've already beaten a C36, which meens I'd beat the honda too. Just cause the "figures" don't match does't meen a thing in my opinion. "Figured" just seem to lead people atray when it comes to something that close, give or a take some change. Thanks though! Me and Cian36N are planning on giving our cars head jobs in about two years when we have $3,000 more grand to spend.

Sean

[nenad16]

sean, i wish i could race you. it should be a close one because:
we have the same engine
my diff ratio is 3.07:1
i have a ram air cold air intake(heat shielded with ceramic coating)
2.5" custom race exhaust
last time i 1/4 mile'd my car, it was 14.6 @103 mph( i think it was 103, not 100% sure)
but my car weighs more than yours, so i think that my mods should compensate for the extra weight and diff ratio. like i said, it should be a close race.

nenad

ps merry xmas to everyone

[RolexBenz190E]

You live a long long ways away from me, or else I'd totaly race you. That trap time seems a little high for 14.6 though.are you sure it's not like 96mph or a little lower? What was the elevation of the track you ran at?

BTW, your car weighs just as much as the C36 except that you have 3.07:1's and might get off the line a little faster then him. But you baiscaly have that same car but not as much performance as the C36. You have the same engine block (as do I) except he has forged components/stroked/advanced ECU's/etc.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! :banana:

[nenad16]

Originally posted by RolexBenz190E@Dec 26 2004, 02:25 AM
That trap time seems a little high for 14.6 though.are you sure it's not like 96mph or a little lower? What was the elevation of the track you ran at?


Since this was a year ago, Im not sure about the speed reached, but I remember it ended with 3, so maybe it was 93 as you suggest. as for the track elevation, its at sea level, and I ran 1/4 mile around midnight and it was around 70 degrees.

i raced my friend with C36 against mine, I was faster off the line(just like you were), but after about 150feet he passed me and that was it for me.

merry xmas,
nenad