190e 2.3-16

[So.Cal_Benzo]

I saw a 86/87 190E 2.3-16 5-speed with 85,000 miles, clean engine, clean body, 16' TSW Mesh wheels with new rubber, original everything, it has a new water pump, new clutch is being installed today and new original alternator. It is being sold for $6,000.
I'm really really interested in the car... im in love with it! Can you guys give me inputs on the car, anything to look out for and stuff like that. Oh ya, how does the value of those car hold up?
I'm also trying to convince my parents into buying it.... any advices on that?:P

Edit: the car looks similar to this one.
The car looks similar to itgb's car.
http://www.190revolution.net/forum/viewtop...opic.php?t=1704 (http://www.190revolution.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1704)

[black 1994 c280]

You may want to ask that question at 190Rev (http://www.190revolution.net)

[krk230]

just buy it...we need more w201s on BNZSport! do it for the team! :) :D ;)

[Hank]

Buy it if you don't mind Dr.///AMG poking fun... imo, it makes a nice daily.

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Originally posted by Hank
Buy it if you don't mind Dr.///AMG poking fun... imo, it makes a nice daily.
LOL. I don't give a Shizz what he says or other people say... real benz enthusiasts knows what a 16v 201 is... and his car is just an E320 modded.;) :P
I'm not in a rush to buy it, esp. now that i know those cars needs to be regularly maintained and the engine is not as easy to maintain as an 2.3 or the 2.6... we'll just see what happens.

If nobody buys it, the owner will part it out and ship it to Indo. It sells for a higher price there.

[Applemac_G4]

They are pretty cool cars. I'd be a little concerned about an odometer rollback on an 86 with 85000 miles though. Or perhaps a new odometer/speedometer. Unfortunately, some states call all cars over 10 years old mileage exempt so that won't be too much help.

What you can do, though, is to use carfax to pull up the history of where the car has been in its life. Then call the Benz dealers in those areas and given them the VIN number of the car and ask them to search their service computers to see if they have any record of the mileage on the odometer when / if they serviced it.

That's how I made sure my 88 with 70k miles had accurate miles.

[Dr. ///AMG]

It's kinda old... like 17 years old.

[Hank]

Originally posted by Dr. ///AMG
It's kinda old... like 17 years old.

LOL, sooner or later, I knew he'd point that out.

[Dr. ///AMG]

Originally posted by Hank
LOL, sooner or later, I knew he'd point that out. socal's dream car is older than the olsen twins

[redline]

Originally posted by So.Cal_Benzo
Oh ya, how does the value of those car hold up?


Don't look to a 17 year old Benz to "hold its value"

[Dr. ///AMG]

Originally posted by redline
Don't look to a 17 year old Benz to "hold its value"

Yea... it kinda like dropped it from its backpack a while back.

lol but seriously though, when you see Ryan's 190 16V, an '86 I believe, mint condition, and he got it for 9500 I think, that's not bad at all! I think it keeps its value since it's rare. If it was a mainstream model, then forget about it. Might as well goto mercedesshop and talk about diesels.

[holson]

hey what's wrong with diesels? :mad: ;)
They're cool cars!

Back to W201's. Best thing about them is that the A/C Evaporator is not buried deep under the dash (it's accessible from the engine bay I think) so if the AC goes bust then ur not looking at 124/140 AC nightmare scenario.

I'd love to own a 190 2.3-16. In fact I'd love to trade my diesel for one just because it's got manual transmission.

Make sure the 190 didn't live a hard life. Check for steering and suspension play. Listen to weird noises, and have a mechanic go through it.

dont forget compression checks!

[yvrbenz]

the market's soft for almost everything these days. however, most 16v's have seen 2-5 owners and usually owners 2-5 have beat the cars mercilessly. original cossies in excellent condition with maintenance records will go up as the beat ones die off.

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Well, this 17yr old Benz is actually still selling for 7grand or more... i wonder how much is your E320 worth Mike?;) The 16v has a kbb of 5 grand, but since it is a collectors car its selling for more than that. I'm surprised people here didn't realize that... and thinks its just a 17 yr old car and cannot hold its value.

[slk320]

watch that resale value... economy is not in such shape that people demanded over blue book for their cars... used car sales are not just cluggish, they are non exsistant. This is your leverage.

[redline]

Originally posted by So.Cal_Benzo
Well, this 17yr old Benz is actually still selling for 7grand or more... i wonder how much is your E320 worth Mike?;) The 16v has a kbb of 5 grand, but since it is a collectors car its selling for more than that. I'm surprised people here didn't realize that... and thinks its just a 17 yr old car and cannot hold its value.

no but your acting like you can drive it everyday for 5 years and have its value appreciate :rolleyes:

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Originally posted by redline
no but your acting like you can drive it everyday for 5 years and have its value appreciate :rolleyes:
Well ofcourse it wont appreciate, but will it hold up well is what i want to know. But as most cars, the more miles u put on it it drops value.

[~SCARFACE~]

85000 miles $6000
After you check the carfax, if there is no problem with
the car. I say BUY IT NOW...
I know 86 sound bad but those cars have minimum
300.000 miles life time without serious problem.
Plus 16v is rare and has still respectable performance.
16v can smoke 2000 Jetta VR6...that is what I know...

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Originally posted by ~SCARFACE~
85000 miles $6000
After you check the carfax, if there is no problem with
the car. I say BUY IT NOW...
I know 86 sound bad but those cars have minimum
300.000 miles life time without serious problem.
Plus 16v is rare and has still respectable performance.
16v can smoke 2000 Jetta VR6...that is what I know...
It does 0-60mph in the low to mid 7's.

[Gordinho80]

Might as well goto mercedesshop and talk about diesels.

Yo Doc...
I know you didn't just poke at Diesels...WTF mang? Whats wrong with Diesels??? I drive a Diesel and I love it...yeah, it ain't fast, but its a nice car...

Don't go there DOC!!!

[Dr. ///AMG]

Originally posted by Gordinho80
Yo Doc...
I know you didn't just poke at Diesels...WTF mang? Whats wrong with Diesels??? I drive a Diesel and I love it...yeah, it ain't fast, but its a nice car...

Don't go there DOC!!!

LMAO! When I Said diesel I was thinking of the old ass ones they got there like the 80's something :P

[yvrbenz]

KBB is only really good for cars such as a 1997 Chevrolet Caprice or a Ford Crown Victoria. When it comes to limited run specialty cars KBB falls down somewhat.

Specialy cars such as the W124 500E/E500, W201 2.3-16, 2.5-16, EvoI, EvoII, W202C36, C43, etc. are difficult to nail down what "market value" is because it's always changing. Ok, some people will say "well, that's a given, all car prices do that." what i'm saying is that so-called "specialty" cars are volatile in price and more sensitive to market pressures.

because of their rarity, and in some cases the general lack of knowledge about some of these cars, the market for specialty cars is a small one so the effects of supply and demand are magnified and circumstantial factors (ie. general economic climate) has a far greater effect on prices.

all in all, one should buy a car to enjoy for themselves regardless of what the value of the car will be down the road. if you're looking at re-sale value (especially with cars of this nature) you're essentially gambling so you'll need to be able to write off the cost of the car or wait around for as long as it takes to get the prices back up.

[redline]

I'd also say "buy it" its a good deal.


you don't even own the car and your talking about what you'd get for it if you sold it!

[holson]

hhmmm 80's diesel huh? ;)

im sorry slow as they are, I think the W123C looks more elegant than my E420. They both have unique soundtracks too ;) The diesel clatter and the V-8 burble!

plus... :) people on bicycles always hear my car when I'm driving behind them and they move away hehe..

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Originally posted by redline
you don't even own the car and your talking about what you'd get for it if you sold it!
And what's wrong with that? Buy it cheap, sell it for more and make some extra money for college or sumtin.

[redline]

Tell me of one 17 year old car that you can buy, drive daily and then sell 5 years down the line for more than they bought it for.

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Originally posted by redline
Tell me of one 17 year old car that you can buy, drive daily and then sell 5 years down the line for more than they bought it for.

Hey, here's an idea for you. Get off my case!
All i wanted to know is how will it hold up... it doesn't matter how long i use it or this and that... if the car is really a good car and is considered a collectors item, why not it hold value later on?

In my previous post, when i said buy it cheap and then sell it for more... Is right after i buy the car, in a month or two i would sell it again for a little more $$, get it! Not use it for 5 yrs then sell it for a higher price... :rolleyes:

And you know what, there's probably a 17yr old car that is so rare and in good condition, even if u've used it, it will still hold its value.

[redline]

Originally posted by So.Cal_Benzo
Hey, here's an idea for you. Get off my case!
All i wanted to know is how will it hold up... it doesn't matter how long i use it or this and that... if the car is really a good car and is considered a collectors item, why not it hold value later on?

In my previous post, when i said buy it cheap and then sell it for more... Is right after i buy the car, in a month or two i would sell it again for a little more $$, get it! Not use it for 5 yrs then sell it for a higher price... :rolleyes:


I didn't want to pick a fight, I didn't think you'd blow up at me :rolleyes: I was simply offering a "reality check" to your far fetched idea.


And you know what, there's probably a 17yr old car that is so rare and in good condition, even if u've used it, it will still hold its value.

tell me which car this is?

[So.Cal_Benzo]

If i knew i would tell you. That's why i mentioned the word "probably".

[holson]

http://www.mbautowerks.com/sales/carview.php?view=73

Check this out....

Donnie's car (he's a tech who participates in mercedesshop discussions and works for MBAutowerks that sponsors mshop)

id jump on it if I didnt have my diesel :)

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/show...&threadid=68502 (http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=68502)

[dshr]

So.Cal_Benzo

Dude If I were in your shoes I'd be on top of this car. I have not come across 1 16V on the East Coast or South East where I live.

[redline]

Originally posted by So.Cal_Benzo
If i knew i would tell you. That's why i mentioned the word "probably".

If you couldn't come up with an answer to my question, then why even write that :confused: ??

[So.Cal_Benzo]

Originally posted by dshr
So.Cal_Benzo

Dude If I were in your shoes I'd be on top of this car. I have not come across 1 16V on the East Coast or South East where I live.
I'm going to test drive the car tomorrow, with a friend who is also interested in the car. I'm pretty sure a car like this if its properly taken care off, and keeping its miles low it will do just fine. Hey.. maybe in 20 yrs or so, it will become a classic and might worth more.

[MBZ16V]

socal benzo, i jus bought an '86 16v down in LA for $9k with 75k miles. $6k for a car with 86k miles is really really cheap. how does it look as far as interior and engine compartment etc.? how does it run? if i were you, i would seriously check it out. here's a few pics of what my car looks like: http://chris.milbert.com/190Pics/Ryan/P6070002_small.JPG

http://chris.milbert.com/190Pics/Ryan/P6070004_small.JPG

its not perfect, still got some things to fix. A/C needed charging, sunroof doesnt work, electrical short in seats and vacuum locks. but still worth it. u'ill think so too once u own a 16v too. even tho it is 17 yrs old, as Doc stated. it will still smoke his car. lol :D