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kameraguy
06-21-2005, 09:53 AM
.....But not in the C36 :P

Yesterday I was at our BMW dealership participating with the Susan Korman test drive event and was driving the Z4 3.0 all day long. I really liked that car so i drove it 5 times in a row :P

Part of the "loop" entailed a 1/4 straightaway freeway entrance. There are two lanes which will eventually merge to one at the end of the straight. On one of my drives a black 300C gets behind me at the light prior to this entrance. I'm at the front of the two lanes, with the other lane already occupied with other cars. When the light turned green, I didn't floor it all the way, but I did laucnh a bit hard off the line. A second latter I hear an exhaust growl and the rear view confirms the 300C is coming up to me quick. I'm at about 40mph when I floor the beemer. I see in the rearview the 300C cut to the other lane in an attempt to pass.

As we scramble to the end to the merge, I can see myself slowly pulling away. What started off as a one car lead eventually became two cars by the time our lanes merged. We were at about 100mph at that point. I thought it may have been he decided to let me take the merge but we had more than enough room had he decided to pass me.

I slowed down to merge with traffic, and so did the 300C. By that time I stayed in the slow lane and the 300C eventually moved into the middle and passed me. It turned out it was an SRT-8 :) So to be honest I don't know if he was trying to pass me but decided not to, or if he really tried but didn't expect the Z4 to be that quick. But it was quite an experience since everything was magnified times 10 with an open cockpit!

It looked pretty menacing especially in black at speed. It looked like a younger kid was driving it.

I was suprised at the result as I figured a stock 300C would pass me, let along an SRT-8. But I guess mid-range torque and the light overall weight of the Z4 was better for that run.

Aside from that, the Z4 was awesome! Although I hated the prospect of driving a convertable on a crowded freeway due to debris which could get kicked up from trucks and cars, it was an absolute blast when the freeway opened up. The responsiveness of the straight six was incredible. In sport mode ( I was driving a steptronic), the engine was a torque monster. 80-100mph passes were more like "leaps". And the car was super responsive. This was definitely a "sports car" in terms of what I always envisioned one to feel like. The overall handling, engine sensitivity, low and rearward seating, visceral excitement of an open top format, and the audible sounds of the brake calipers clamping and exhaust growling each time the throttle was applied followed by a slight burble and hint of backfire when throttle was released was a thrill at all speeds. I can now appreciate why roadsters exist.

On turns the Z4 was rock solid and laser sharp. The steering and throttle response was fantastic. When i pushed the car on off-camber decreasing radius freeway entrances the car would slightly understeer, but was easily balanced with the throttle. It was straightforward to obtain neutral to slight oversteer with these type of turns. The steering was beautifully weighted and provided just the right amount of boost to maintain feel and what seemed the right amount of correction at any given speed. The balance was wonderful :)

Coming from a heavy sedan like the C36, the Z4 was a pleasant change of pace. A complete opposite, and certainly a closer representation of what a sports experience is. I fully enjoyed driving the Z4 and would love to consider an open top sports car in the future.

As much as I love the new SLK 350 in terms of style and overall comfort, as well as the increased performance of the new V6, I hve to say the Z4 with 3.0 was just a bit more raw in terms of power delivery and handling. Now if it only came with a hardtop convertible I think the Z4 would be perfect for someone looking for a new school roadster which is more than a hint of what a true sports roadster used to be :)

It will be interesting to see how the SLK55 stack up against a new M Roadster if/when it is made :)

55 ON IT
06-21-2005, 10:06 AM
Once you go "drop top" you never go back. I've owned 2 roadsters a SLK, and a M Roadster. I doubt those two will be my last. Now that I have a W208, I find myself constantly borrowing my brother's 996 vert. Go figure?

BTW, great kill!

aintME
06-21-2005, 10:10 AM
i dont know kam. i dont think the SRT-8 was really trying. :o but, you were there, not me. good "kill" nonetheless. btw, just curious, was this a Z4 with the "new," higher output 3.0L?

krk230
06-21-2005, 10:11 AM
z4 looks pretty good in red and white imo...but still not a fan of that trunk-lid!...i've driven Z4 2.5 and it handles really well... :D

Golden1245
06-21-2005, 10:20 AM
I've smoken 300's before, not the c editions but i think the town and country, whatever the heck they call em with the 2.7 V6. Even barely beat one with the 3.5, I think.

yeah, the Z4 just standing still looks rock solid, there's something about its stance.

Brabus
06-21-2005, 10:52 AM
Very nice... drop top!!

That's pretty cool that they let you take it out like that!

Vodka G
06-21-2005, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by 55 ON IT@Jun 21 2005, 10:06 AM
Once you go "drop top" you never go back. I've owned 2 roadsters a SLK, and a M Roadster. I doubt those two will be my last. Now that I have a W208, I find myself constantly borrowing my brother's 996 vert. Go figure?

BTW, great kill!
tell me about it .......one thing that i hate about my TT is that it dun even have a sunroof.....this is actually the first car i have without a sunroof or vert

and speaking of the BMW drive even i was at the one in SLO and was driving the 645ci vert DAMN it was pretty nice


and the 545i was very very quick :-)....and i also to the X3 3.0i off roading lolssss (took it out to a dirty road and drove like 10 miles)

kameraguy
06-21-2005, 11:22 AM
Yeah, I won't say this was a kill by any means. All I meant was this was a fun moment with an SRT-8. And I have to factor in the SRT-8 driver may have been breaking in his car so no full throttle applications for a while :P

The one thing I left out with my ibservation with the Z4 is that man, that thing was stiff! To the point I don't think it would be a good consideration as a daily driver! Definitely a weekend car. Man, talk about jostling your fillings loose :P

aintme, I don't know what flavor 3.0 it had, but it was not new. But still a 2005 model.

vodka, they had a 645 vert but man it stole the show. Everyone was test driving it so i wasn't able to try. Well let me rephrase...since people were hounding it so much they left the Z4's wide open. So I figured one hour waiting for a 645 or a solid hour with the Z4 :P

My uncle drove it though and said it was awesome :)

Ozzie Bob
06-21-2005, 02:33 PM
I don't like the 'Zed Death', and I too doubt the Hemi was trying. Heck, he was probably only running on 4 cylinders :D :P

slk320
06-21-2005, 03:19 PM
Don't listen to all of them Chris, you beat a HEMI fair and square... and not only a simple HEMi, but a SUPER HEMI, punching out 425 hp and 450lb tq.... wow, for a car that has low 12 sec eta's on 1/4 mile passes, it sure is slow...


Anyway, once a Z4 beat me.. on the smae day, coming back from the office, I stop at a stop light and guy on a road bicycle beat me.... once we hit 100mph the bicylce started pulling away slowly.... he was like 2 or bike length away from me when we shut down...

I am still tryin to meet that gold saturn wagon though....I need to get my revenge for you. But of course if you are driving a Z4 may be you will get your revenge after all!

Renn 208
06-21-2005, 03:36 PM
sounds like the US domestic boys are butt hurt once again...

It's not like Kam was even saying that he roasted the Chrysler....sheesh, he just had fun in a Z4 with the chrysler. So I think you can put away the biting sarcasm for the moment :P

redline
06-21-2005, 07:14 PM
nice story! I always thought the Z4 was quite an improvement over the Z3. I can't wait for a possible M version!!! Now all they need to do is get their SMG in order!!!!!

dshr
06-21-2005, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by slk320@Jun 21 2005, 06:19 PM
Anyway, once a Z4 beat me.. on the smae day, coming back from the office, I stop at a stop light and guy on a road bicycle beat me.... once we hit 100mph the bicylce started pulling away slowly.... he was like 2 or bike length away from me when we shut down...

:lol:

WTF

J Irwan
06-21-2005, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by slk320@Jun 21 2005, 06:19 PM
Don't listen to all of them Chris, you beat a HEMI fair and square... and not only a simple HEMi, but a SUPER HEMI, punching out 425 hp and 450lb tq.... wow, for a car that has low 12 sec eta's on 1/4 mile passes, it sure is slow...


Anyway, once a Z4 beat me.. on the smae day, coming back from the office, I stop at a stop light and guy on a road bicycle beat me.... once we hit 100mph the bicylce started pulling away slowly.... he was like 2 or bike length away from me when we shut down...

I am still tryin to meet that gold saturn wagon though....I need to get my revenge for you. But of course if you are driving a Z4 may be you will get your revenge after all!
Actually

300C SRT-8 Hemi 1/4 mile is somewhere in the mid 13's as the 0-60 time in low five range..



Althought this beast has a lot of power it is also heavy :) and on top of that also equipped with 5 speed-automatic..

I don't think it will has trust like W211 E55 512lb-ft in which resulted in high 12's 1/4 mile :)

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/srt8-chrysler.html



Regardz,



J Irwan

slk320
06-22-2005, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by J Irwan@Jun 21 2005, 09:27 PM
Actually

300C SRT-8 Hemi 1/4 mile is somewhere in the mid 13's as the 0-60 time in low five range..



Althought this beast has a lot of power it is also heavy :) and on top of that also equipped with 5 speed-automatic..

I don't think it will has trust like W211 E55 512lb-ft in which resulted in high 12's 1/4 mile :)

http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/srt8-chrysler.html



Regardz,



J Irwan
Yeah thats what we thought at first...


12.85 and 12.98 have been acheived by SRT8 owner locally here (the first one on the drag strip) with 0 mods.

Slightly modded (even with cold air intake and better tires) we should be seing mid 12's all day long.

Here is a link to the article and slips:


http://www.300cforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7511

PS - Don't believe what auto manufacturer puts out as "official" ratings... Chrysler said my car makes 340hp, where in reality its 370+ (for insurance or other purposes).


Now imagine if we had a supercharger like those AMGs...

Oh wait...here it is:

http://www.gsmotorsports.com/


But of course, this is still not quite fast enough to beat a Z4 :lol:

Ok ok, putting the fangs back.... sorry for being sarcastic. Its in my nature... B)




As far as Z4 goes, its kinda of a joke, I don't think that the owner of the SRT8 even knew that he was being challenged... If you look through the prior threads I beat a 330 very easily off the line and on a freeway I was going toe to toe with E46 M3...so Z4 isn't exactly competition... but nice write non-the-less.

redline
06-22-2005, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by slk320@Jun 22 2005, 10:02 AM
As far as Z4 goes, its kinda of a joke, I don't think that the owner of the SRT8 even knew that he was being challenged... If you look through the prior threads I beat a 330 very easily off the line and on a freeway I was going toe to toe with E46 M3...so Z4 isn't exactly competition... but nice write non-the-less.
I'm sure the owner new he was being challenged...unless he just thought traffic normally merged at 100 mph. Oh wait, your in CA right? Nevermind, it does.

55 ON IT
06-22-2005, 11:06 PM
:lol:

kameraguy
06-23-2005, 01:18 PM
Dang, I didn't think i'd offend anyone with this story. It was afterall just a joke of a roadster called a Z4 :P

Well, i can't help it if people found my story somehow a way to say the 300C was slow. If anything I tried to make it clear once i saw it was an SRT-8 i'm SURE he wasn't trying to pas sme. But oh wells, what can you do. All these stories online are fiction unless you witnessed it in person.

No biggie though. I still like the SRT-8 AND the Z4. Nothing wrong with hating on the Z4. But for me I found it a blast.

But in defense of the Z4, if there's one thing i'd gladly give up HP for is....handling :) If I can't have both, i'd take a good handling car over high hp. The way i see it is realistically we can't be shotgunning to triple digits all the time, but it's quite pleasureable to take a corner or drive a twisty road at speeds higher than "normal" and feel confident and in control. For me, 1/4mile and straight line acceleration is nice to know, but real life driving isn't just about dragging all the time.

And to be honest, sure the Z4 isn't lightning fast compared to a huge displacement beast. But it's not exactly that slow either :)

I haven't test driven the Boxster S, but so far the Z4 was quite impressive for those reasons. IMHO it was quite a well "balanced" car to drive.

nokia8860
06-23-2005, 01:30 PM
The S2000 it THE CAR to beat! Lovely car that is!

slk320
06-23-2005, 01:35 PM
The boxster S is a very spirited car. Much faster then the SLK320 (which is a lot faster then the Z3/4). Its a superbly blanced car, but unfortunately I don't fit in it comfortably, so I didn't get it... :(

I was in the Porsche dealership, test driving Boxsters before I bought my SLK. Heck I would have takent he S2000 too if it didn't have a rag top and I could fit in it...

I didn't get offeneded BTW - I was just joking. Sorry if it didn't come off right.

Vodka G
06-28-2005, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by slk320@Jun 23 2005, 01:35 PM
The boxster S is a very spirited car. Much faster then the SLK320 (which is a lot faster then the Z3/4). Its a superbly blanced car, but unfortunately I don't fit in it comfortably, so I didn't get it... :(

I was in the Porsche dealership, test driving Boxsters before I bought my SLK. Heck I would have takent he S2000 too if it didn't have a rag top and I could fit in it...

I didn't get offeneded BTW - I was just joking. Sorry if it didn't come off right.
before i bought the TT i have tested the

SLK320 (which i m not interested since i knew the new body was coming out in 9 mos to 1 year)

the Boxster and the S: the base Boxster was slow....it handles great and sounds great but the car is laggy

the S is better but once i think about the $$ for mods and maintenance (you know how hard it is to change the oil on those Boxster??) i just told myself to stay away...

the Z4: i dun really the long front look....yeah it resemble the Z8....but just not my cup of tea

the S2000: hummm.... my sister got one........in HK....gud handling...it feels like a motorcycle engine....rev rev rev but no muscle/torque esp on the top end....i am just not a big fan of VTEC engines...not saying they are crap or anything....just that i am not a fan of.......

the Z and the G35 coupe: dun wana pay almost $30k for a japanese car